Amber Heard says she believes notes taken by her doctor, in which she discusses alleged abuse by Johnny Depp, would have made a difference in the jury’s decision in her ex’s defamation case -husband. The notes, however, were excluded from the six-week trial.
In the final excerpt from her interview with NBC News’ Savannah Guthrie, which aired on Deadline On Friday, Heard said her doctor’s notes are a record of what she was talking about in real time, dating back to the start of her relationship with Depp.
Guthrie said they looked at the notes and they showed “that as early as 2012 Amber was talking about physical abuse. In January of that year, she told her therapist that Depp had hit her, thrown her to the ground. Eight months later he ripped off her nightgown, threw her on the bed, and in 2013 he threw her against a wall and threatened to kill her.
Heard’s attorneys also showed text messages from NBC News that were excluded from the lawsuit, including one in which she wrote to her father, “He kicked me in front of everyone.” This post concerned a controversial incident in which Heard claimed that Depp kicked him while flying in a private plane.
Depp denied Heard’s allegations of physical abuse. A spokesperson for Depp told the network, “It is unfortunate that the defendant and her team are beginning to repeat, re-imagine and revive cases that have already been decided by the court.”
A jury awarded Depp $15 million in her libel suit against Heard, finding she was liable for defamation after she published a 2018 op-ed in The Washington Post in which she said she had become “a personality representing domestic violence”. The judge quickly lowered the amount to $10.35 million, based on the state’s limit on punitive damages. Heard also won a judgment, with the jury finding Depp liable for defamation for a statement made by his lawyer. But Heard’s price tag was only $2 million.
Heard’s interview with Guthrie was his first post-trial interview, and NBC News maximized the exposure of his exclusive, airing it in two parts on Today earlier this week, followed by the time of Deadline.
The Deadline The episode featured parts of Guthrie’s interview that had already aired, but the timing may have explained why Heard agreed to do it, as it gave him another chance to tell his side of the story. story. But it was a version of events that the jury found unconvincing.
“They thought you were lying,” Guthrie told Heard.
She replied, “I’m going to put it this way: how could they pass judgment, how could they not come to that conclusion? They had sat in those seats and heard for more than three weeks of incessant testimony from paid employees and towards the end of the trial, randos, as I say.
“I don’t blame [the jury]. … I actually get that he’s a beloved character and people feel like they know him. He’s a fantastic actor… After listening to three and a half weeks of testimonials about me being an unbelievable person, not believing a word that came out of my mouth. I am a hysterical woman. I’m a crazy person. I can’t be trusted over and over again.
Heard defended the editorial that sparked the defamation claim, arguing it was not about her relationship with Depp but about the issue of domestic violence and law reform. But when Guthrie asked her why she would write something that would rekindle the couple’s relationship again, given their divorce settlement, Heard acknowledged it was a point that “I wish I had taken more seriously.”
A juror appeared on hello america earlier this week and said Heard “didn’t seem believable.” She claimed she did not cause physical fights, but a sound was played during the trial in which she admitted to starting one.
“I know a lot has been made of these audio tapes,” Heard told Guthrie. “And as I testified on the stand, what you hear in those clips is not evidence of what was going on. It was evidence of a negotiation, of how to talk about it with your abuser .
Guthrie asked Heard, “He said he never hit you. Is it a lie? “Yes,” Heard said.
Guthrie noted that no other women have filed a complaint against Depp.
“Look what happened to me when I showed up. Would you?” Heard answered.
Guthrie also pointed to another aspect of Depp’s case: photos showing Heard looking “unblemished” after the alleged abuse. Heard said some of the photos were taken days or even weeks after the alleged injuries, Guthrie noted.
“What I learned during this trial is that it will never be good enough,” Heard said. “If you have proof, then it was a ploy. It was a hoax. if you don’t have proof, it didn’t happen. If you have a bruise, it’s a fake. If you don’t have a bruise, then the violence obviously didn’t hurt you. If you’ve told people, then you’re hysterical. If you didn’t tell anyone, it didn’t happen.
She told Guthrie that she hopes the result “hasn’t had the chilling effect that it may have on other people. I’m worried about that. But if I can look you in the eye, Savannah, and telling you, “I’m still here,” and maybe that will serve to balance out some of the very real fear others may have of coming forward or speaking out.
Heard said she would “stand by every word of my testimony” until her “dying day.”
“My goal, the only thing I can hope for at this point, I just want people to see me as a human being,” she said.